In Part One of our ANEW Insight conversation, physician, psychologist, and consciousness researcher Dr. Howard Eisenberg takes us through his remarkable five-decade journey—from medicine and psychology to pioneering parapsychology research and his latest work on the science and magic of consciousness. What starts as childhood curiosity evolves into experiments on ESP, a career in stress management for Fortune 100 companies, and ultimately, a life-changing realization: reality as we know it may be nothing more than a projection of consciousness.
This isn’t just philosophy, it’s a practical exploration of how imagination, intention, ego, and non-attachment shape our lived experience.
Curiosity as a Compass
For Dr. Eisenberg, curiosity was the first driver. Medicine offered a path to deeply understand the body—how it’s built, why it falters, and how it heals. Psychology added the human dimension of helping and educating others. But it was parapsychology—the study of phenomena beyond the five senses—that captured his youthful curiosity and pushed him to experiment:
- As a teenager, he tested whether strangers on buses could sense his silent focus from the back row.
- As a camp counselor, he was challenged to “read minds” by peers and shocked himself by identifying hidden objects two out of three times.
Though informal, these experiments fueled a conviction: our consciousness extends beyond what science can easily measure.
The Paradigm-Shifting Realization
Years later, while preparing a keynote for a conference of healers, Dr. Eisenberg immersed himself in decades of research: parapsychology, quantum mechanics, indigenous teachings, comparative religion, and the latest neuroscience. Then came an unexpected, almost revelatory moment.
In a span of just minutes, he experienced what he describes as a total flip in perception:
- Reality as we know it—people, nature, objects, the universe—was not external, but a projection from within.
- At first, this felt like horrific loneliness, as if nothing and no one existed.
- But quickly it shifted into the opposite—a profound interconnectedness with everything.
This aligns with what he calls the primacy of consciousness: the idea that consciousness doesn’t arise from the brain; rather, consciousness shapes and modulates the brain.
Why Consciousness Is Still Controversial
Despite growing evidence from quantum physics and neuroplasticity research, consciousness studies remain taboo in mainstream medicine and psychology. Dr. Eisenberg explains why:
- Filters & Conditioning: We never see reality as it is—only through personal, cultural, and ideological filters.
- Scientific Pressures: Universities and journals operate like businesses. “Publish or perish” pressures push safe, replicable studies rather than paradigm-challenging research.
- Economic Interests: Just as the cigarette lobby once suppressed cancer links, entrenched systems benefit from preserving materialist views of reality.
- Religious Fragmentation: Even within Christianity, 45,000 denominations reveal how differently humans interpret “truth.” Consciousness research threatens rigid frameworks.
Living in Two Dimensions
Dr. Eisenberg uses the metaphor of amphibians—creatures that live both in water and on land. Similarly, we live in two dimensions of reality:
- Surface reality: where we experience ourselves as separate individuals, navigating relationships, nature, work, and challenges.
- Deeper reality: where meditation, lucid dreaming, or non-attachment reveal a profound connection to Source (what he calls the Universal Mind).
The challenge? Our ego—a protective but often overgrown force. When unchecked, ego exaggerates separateness, drives fear, competitiveness, and even addiction to technologies like smartphones and social media. This “egoistic consciousness” amplifies division and distraction, while pulling us away from wisdom, intuition, and empathy.
Imagination, Intention, and Letting Go
At the heart of Dr. Eisenberg’s perspective is a simple but radical pairing: imagination and intention. His early ESP experiments worked not because of special powers, but because he imagined connection and intended it.
To access the deeper dimension of consciousness, he emphasizes:
- Non-attachment: Releasing identification with ego, body, or emotions.
- Meditation or lucid dreaming: Tools to quiet distraction and open awareness.
- Transcendence: Whether “going deeper within” or “floating above,” both represent a letting go of the small self to touch the larger whole.
As he and I explored, the result of such practices is often peace, freedom, and perspective—a way to avoid being trapped in the ego’s small dramas and instead live from a more connected, compassionate self.
Key Takeaways from Part One
- Curiosity is the gateway to both science and consciousness exploration.
- Reality may be less “out there” and more a projection of consciousness.
- Ego is useful but dangerous if unchecked—it creates separateness and division.
- Imagination + intention are powerful tools to explore expanded awareness.
- Meditation and non-attachment reconnect us to Source and free us from ego-driven distractions.
- Consciousness research remains controversial due to entrenched filters, economic interests, and institutional resistance.
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20250423 Dr. Howard Eisenberg Part 1
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Dr. Supatra Tovar: Hello and welcome to the ANEW Insight podcast. I am so excited to have physician, psychologist, and consciousness researcher Dr. Howard Eisenberg with us today. Dr. Eisenberg, welcome.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Thank you Supatra. Thank you for your interest. Thank you.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yes, of course. I’m gonna read a little bit about Howard, and then we’re gonna get right into our questions.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: It’s okay if I call you Howard, right? I.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Absolutely.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Dr. Howard Eisenberg is a distinguished physician, psychologist, and consciousness researcher whose career spans over five decades. He has served as a lecturer at the University of Toronto and as an associate professor of medicine at the University of Vermont.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Dr. Eisenberg is the CEO of Syntrek, Inc, an international consultancy specializing in stress management, creative thinking, and executive [00:01:00] coaching for Fortune 100 companies. His pioneering work in parapsychology includes authoring the seminal book Inner Spaces, parapsychological Explorations of the Mind, which became a textbook for his groundbreaking credit course in parapsychology at the University of Toronto.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: His latest award-winning book, Dream It to Do It: the Science and the Magic integrates ancient wisdom with contemporary science to explore the true nature of reality and consciousness. Howard welcome.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Thank you for that beautiful introduction. Thank you
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Well, you have an amazing background and I am very interested in all things consciousness, and that’s what drew my interest when we were connecting.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And so, you know, we always start out on this podcast with a little bit of inspiration. I want to know about your journey. How did [00:02:00] you decide what made you decide to go into medicine and psychology and then eventually to branch out into parapsychology.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: I welcome your questions. I have to warn you, I can go very wide and very deep.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Good. That’s what we like.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: and it’s not a typical background but trying to recapitulate in part with you, I’ve just asked. I remember in my early childhood I was naturally or precociously, very curious. I wanted to understand things. So in part what led me to medicine was the deep knowledge I would gain about how we’re constructed, how we function. It seemed kind of important.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: So that was just coming again from curiosity, like what a wonderful way to really know how we’re built, how we function why sometimes we’re not healthy, and what we can do to regain our health, restore our health. The other side of [00:03:00] that was a relative mission, to use the word loosely, of helping others and by helping others by educating them.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: So from a, again, a precocious age I enjoyed not only learning things, but sharing it with others. And parapsychology came on the horizon because aside from medicine later on, it was just so utterly fascinating, to explore the further reaches of consciousness of reality. And at the time it was very controversial. it was very difficult to legitimately do research or even talk about it in certain academic circles. But I was young and curious and wanted to be the leading edge. Okay. But going back to the curiosity, so I got deeply involved at a pretty young age in that as a teenager, I started doing little experiments to test it out, so to speak, as well as finding whatever I could to read as obviously pre-internet years.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: The turning [00:04:00] point for me though, in terms of where I am now, came about just a few years ago. I went on, as you partly have shared, in that wonderful introduction, doing many other things. So I had my medical practice, I had an academic career. I was heading up my company, Syntrek and working in different countries with all types of industries and different sectors. This was a pretty busy life and I had left behind for the time deep interest I first had in through of curiosity in parapsychology researching on our extended capacities of our mind, called properly just ESP, but that’s not really a, you know, proper term. It’s of the proper consciousness still. But again, a few years ago I was invited because of my history, because of that first book, inner Spaces, Parapsychological, Explorations of the Mind almost half a century ago, somebody who was involved with an organization of healers who do what’s called sometimes Therapeutic [00:05:00] Touch or biblically, was referred to as Laying on of Hands.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: There’s different terms or energy medicine, energy psychology, and it was for their annual conference. It would be a keynote presentation. And to do a justice to honor the invitation, I did a very deep dive into almost half a century of the cumulative research in parapsychology since I was very hotly involved in it with my book and teaching at the university, as well as looking at the latest developments in modern physics, usually to as quantum mechanics, as well as comparative studies of how different religions understand and vision the world and give us guidance to live the good and healthy life in this world. And even going back before that to the indigenous teachings, before they even formalize as we call the major religions. And then some of the leading research now, the gates have opened for psychedelic research, what we were finding about brain functioning in control of [00:06:00] laboratory studies of psychedelics. The research too that was coming out, which was totally evidence-based or neuroplasticity, how our thoughts can rewire our brain. So it’s not that brain produces consciousness. Consciousness goes through the brain. It can modulate the brain itself physically. So as I’m going through this like really deep data dump and it’s deep even, I’m only saying a few words, but phenomenal when you think about it.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Half century in all these different fields deeply. Um, and then one day Supatra as I was still formulating my ideas for the upcoming presentation, several weeks to come. I had an experience in just a minute or two of time. I wasn’t timing it. Totally unexpected. And this was an experience, not simply an understanding or a realization, some might even call it a revelation. I suddenly did a total 100 degree flip on my understanding and perception of reality. Again, unexpected. here I was doing research on leading edges [00:07:00] of consciousness and reality in terms of quantum mechanics and so on, but not expecting this flip I was still assuming that the scientific Western understanding of reality being something somewhat fixed out there that has some predictability and some controllability, that was the reality. I wasn’t totally convinced that the brain was the source, again, of consciousness going back to my early interest in parapsychology, but I knew it had a relationship to consciousness. But I still was accepting fundamentally, if you like, that we’re in a world of separate beings, separate entities, separate things, objects, so broadly, I was still in that framework and still approaching it scientifically, but with this experience, I suddenly realized all of that as is described in some of the, you know, the old yoga techs is Maya.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: It’s all an illiusion. So that was accompanied, this is all very [00:08:00] fast. A minute or two if that, with a
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And describe it a little bit more. What was this, the realization?
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: The realization was that everything is coming, from within a deeper level of consciousness. And I am a connection and expression of that, but there’s nothing out there at all. There are no people, there are no things.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: There is no nature, there is no universe. It’s all in here. It’s all deeply within us, and it’s projected outwardly, we buy into the solution that’s the reality out there.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Not. It’s a level of reality. So given in this realization though of this flippant again, of is internal. We call this the primacy of consciousness opposed to materialism or physicalism as sometimes referred to suddenly also meant emotionally, if I could say it this way, [00:09:00] it was horrific loneliness. It sounded like the only person left, and there’s not even a world like, you know, and like infinite boredom and loneliness. Then it flipped, fortunately. Morphed very quickly, again, the opposite. No, I’m connected to everyone and everything. So that’s the long answer, little
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: question.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And very, you know, deep and introspective and I think in alignment with so many consciousness researchers out there, Dr. Joe Dispenza, I think being one of the major ones that there’s so many people who are studying this and I’ve had people on my podcast previously who are very interested in the nature of consciousness.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Why is it so controversial? Why is it such a taboo topic, especially in the [00:10:00] sciences, medicine, even psychology tends to look at it with suspicion. Even though we are finding so much coming from studies in quantum physics that support. The nature and the idea of, you know, universal consciousness. Why is it so controversial?
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Well, you know, as I say in my book, I actually start my book by saying, you know, we all, whether we realize or not have filters, so we think we see the same reality. We think we understand things the same way, but we don’t. I mean, one example is political divisiveness right now in the world.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: At a proof where people arguably are in the same physical reality, but they have two completely different perceptions of that.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: You know, and then we can even talk a psychiatric situations which where’s more extreme. So, coming back to your question, so whether we like it or not, we all have these, again, filters
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: How we see, interpret and feel and react to things. [00:11:00] Secondly, we also have conditioned, prejudices basically which are running rampant right now with all the divisiveness we’re seeing in so many different ways.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: And then the sciences themselves are also a form of business. When you’re, for example, in the university on faculty, it may have expression publish or perish. If you want to keep a faculty position as a teacher, you have to keep doing research, not just in some, you know, hideaway laboratory, but that you can be published in major journals for the reputation of the university and so they can attract more, you know, donor support and so forth.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Right.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: And that’s a real pressure. And consequently, as you may or may not know, there’s a severe replication crisis in science, and particularly by the way, in psychology meaning that the studies aren’t so well organized. They’re just pushed through for people to get their doctorates or their
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: So you have this investment again and established in a sense, to preserve the way things [00:12:00] are. Just like, if you remember a few decades ago, the cigarette lobby. It, it was in their business interest. To promote cigarettes. Okay. And then, you know, there’s scare mongers trying to tell people it cause cancer and so on.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: It’s not that dissimilar. And then if you also look at religion and how different religions, again, see things so differently. And I find it interesting, you know, even in Christianity, as I do research in my book, there’s over 45,000 denominations of just Christianity in the world.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Wow.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: such
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: I
Dr. Supatra Tovar: had no idea that there were so many.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: And just, that’s just Christianity alone
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Wow.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: So again, back to my point with filters and you know, and conditioning and we don’t necessarily see things really as they are, I think too as I say, we’re, as I understand it, we’re an extension of consciousness from a different level. I call it in my book, the Universal Mind. These days, I’m more comfortable even calling it source.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: It’s a source
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: So we’re here, [00:13:00] like I call it as amphibious beings. We can live it to levels two dimensions, so we can
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Dimension where we experience ourselves as relatably different people and its company and stimulation and sometimes challenge and competition, then the enrichment and challenges of nature around us and so on. then there’s another level where we go deeper within ourselves, which strangely enough connects us all I understand it now,
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: And like amphibians, we can live in more than one dimension, more element like frogs, salamanders can live on land or on the water. And we have that capacity, again, live in two different dimensions, but in this extension of us and to our individuality.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: I hope this isn’t too deep for you.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: No.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: go Let’s go deep, please.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: We also developed ego. Ego enhances our sense of separation, both in terms of fear of others and competitiveness others. And the [00:14:00] ego is like a psychological cancer, potentially. It’s only healthy when it’s somewhat, how should I say, constrained, restrained, or balanced. But it’s not so hard for, it become unhealthy just as with, you know, physical things in our bodies,
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: And it’s usually desiring to be protective of its individuality. As is somewhat competitive and wanting better for its future for maybe its family, friends, neighborhood, whatever nation, you know, whatever it might be, and that again, causes more investment in a certain, you know, ideology or value system and power system.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: So as we get more into the ego egoistic state, which I call ego egoistic consciousness, we’re more and more distracted by the divisiveness, fearing it so we’re more like separate and lonely and feeling vulnerable or wanting [00:15:00] to conquer and acquire big time. And you see this playing out in the world right now
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Of course,
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: and
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: I
Dr. Supatra Tovar: think it’s always played out in the world.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: and it’s almost like an addiction.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Like even, you know, on a smaller level. I mean, most of us these days use these, you know, magic phones. Which can connect you to almost anyone anywhere in the world, anytime almost, you know, if you know how to play with and network connections and so on. But everything has consequences. All choices have consequences, good or bad. And this is also very addictive technology. And the world right now is in a stage where they’re extremely addicted. To that type of technology. They’re called, let’s call screen technology, so to speak. And it’s different ways, different things to display on it. And instead of being in touch, what we sometimes call wisdom of the heart, guided by the heart, which I can go really deep on by the way, if you want me to on.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Sure.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: And not even working [00:16:00] with their own intuition or empathy, or creativity. More and more just trying to keep up, you know, fomo, fear of missing out
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: And you can’t keep up because the volume keeps increasing. Overwhelming.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Try it no matter how much you might try. But it’s also addictive, like when you start getting social media, you would like someone to maybe respond positive to your post, to, you know, like it, to share it make, maybe make a favorable comment, maybe even offer you something, It addictive. Again it draws us further into this external, materialistic individual, you know, separated world, which I repeat is only one level of reality, not the deepest level, but that’s what’s happening. We get so caught up in it. Again, long answer to question, I
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Well, I, okay, this spawns a million questions, but I do wanna go back to something that you said very early on that
Dr. Supatra Tovar: peaked my interest. You said when you first started to become interested in consciousness, you started [00:17:00] to do experiments on yourself, and so I want to know what those experiments were.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: The first one I remember doing was one where I would sit in the back of a streetcar or a bus and focus on someone at the very front, literally in the first roll or two, the very front of the bus. I would not make any sound whatsoever. And I would choose someone that I was going to focus on with the intention that they would become aware I was looking at them and trying to sort of connect in a way with them. and I would know that in two ways. One, because they would start just moving around in a way that untypical before I started this.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Wow.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Eventually to like to get a bingo on this score, you know, bullseye score. They would have to actually turn around and look right at me. And I was able to do it,
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Whoa.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: And then I tried to make it more difficult.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: I chose someone in front reading a book or a [00:18:00] newspaper, so they’re like more distracted. still worked. would choose people who were sitting together and talking to each other, so again, more distracted. It still worked. this is obviously not a laboratory type of experiment. We now know that as a scopesthesia, it’s actually now recognized as one of the forms of psychic phenomena, but that’s how it started. And then there were another you know, almost game that was played to me. I was a camp counselor as a teenager, the other counselors knew of my interest in this area, this weird area, and they decided to play a little trick on me. So they were having a bit of a, after, everything was settled down and the campers were in bed and everything, just a gathering for the counselors themselves and sort of a mini party, not nothing extravagant. And before I came in, they had decided amongst themselves, a group of them they were gonna suggest because of my interest doing an ESP test as it used to be called. they would pick an [00:19:00] before I came in a different room of the building that they were in at the time, and they would ask me sort of guess what was on their mind or telepathically read their mind, so to speak. They had three objects in mind. I didn’t ask for this. This is, I walked into it.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Wow.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Okay, we’ll play. And I got two outta three and blew their minds.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Wow.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Blew mine a bit too, because I didn’t even know I could do that.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Holy cow. So let me ask you this. When you were vibing, I’m gonna just name it, vibing people on the bus, did you have a particular way that you were doing this? How did you actually do it?
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: So it’s two things that I understand better now when I talk about my book Manifestation, but so partly if you like, it’s working with imagination, like imagining I could,
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Contact someone the front again of a vehicle or guess maybe what was in [00:20:00] someone’s mind, not to say knowing how, just imagining that possibility and then the intention,
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: for it.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: So imagination and intention
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Those are
Dr. Supatra Tovar: that is.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: getting
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yeah.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Your own way
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: with self-limiting beliefs
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: It’s impossible, it’s improbable.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: yes. And then just believing, I think, I mean, I certainly use that a lot therapeutically with my clients imagination, visualization and trying to get out of your own way. And that taps into a higher consciousness within yourself that is also connected to others,
Dr. Supatra Tovar: That’s how people might be able to quote, hear you from the back of the bus or might be able, you know, enable you to call out an object that you can’t see you, you know, are tapping into a higher level of yourself.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: You had also said, and I’m really curious [00:21:00] about this. Like we’re salamanders in a way.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Live on this plane of reality and we are connected in this plane of reality. We’re not necessarily like alone when you’re actually really like you, were doing your deep dive into consciousness and seeing what we’re actually manipulating and what’s actually reality.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And you had mentioned going deeper down into yourself to access that. Can you just go into a little bit more of an explanation for somebody who might not understand exactly what that means?
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: And it is not so easy to understand or unpack. So first of all, to begin with in a way it’s not going more deeply into yourself because self is kind of ego
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: from other selves.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Right.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: so you’re trying to go to a level beyond that. So it’s more about what in Buddhism is called non-attachment.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: You’re not attached to anything, not your ego, not your body. Not some emotion, not some sensation, not what’s [00:22:00] going on around you, not expectations of others. For whatever reason, you’re where you are at the time. You let go of all of that.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: So, I don’t wanna say it’s simply surrendering, ’cause that sounds like we’re just making ourselves sort of weak or, you know, defenseless since the opposite of that, it’s actually
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: So it’s more like, letting go of the distractions to experience what is there more deeply.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Essentially meditation.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: That’s one of the roots for sure.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: And
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And so,
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: lucid dreaming, you know, for some people.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Do that for ’em as well.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And say someone were, and I’ve been practicing meditation regularly since 2012, and so I, I do know that feeling.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: It’s so interesting that you said going kind of deeper into yourself, I always imagine it as rising out of myself and connecting out
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: it’s the same thing
Dr. Supatra Tovar: of myself.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: you’re still transcending,
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: In this level.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yes. Yes.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: so I don’t
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Up or down.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: right. Yeah I just [00:23:00] kind of imagine myself just kind of floating out of myself and kind of leaving the heaviness of the world and the body behind and just connecting, and I have no idea, honestly, where I go.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: That’s actually one of the other body techniques. You know, people wanna had body experiences. They actually
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yeah.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: that
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yeah. All I know is when I do connect to whatever it is that we are all connected to,
Dr. Supatra Tovar: I come out of that, I feel free. I feel peace, I feel calm. And I also think that when the more that we do this the less embroiled we are in the little kind of vicissitudes of our current understanding of reality.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: I think people just tend to get really myopically focused. And that’s because of their phones, that’s because of media, that’s because of whoever’s loudest in the room.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: [00:24:00] Yeah
Dr. Supatra Tovar: but when you actually meditate and you connect on that deeper level more often, you are more of an objective observer, then you are embroiled in it.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And I do think.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: The non-attachment. Yeah,
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yes. And I do. Yeah, I think you do tend to not live in your ego
Dr. Supatra Tovar: as much, or you tend to just be aware, oh, that’s where my ego is right now.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: Exactly.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: and that I think on a psychological level, even if you know, the concepts of consciousness of quantum physics and things like that is, is just kind of over people’s heads or they just don’t necessarily want to believe in it.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: I think the power in tapping into our highest self, you know, and that’s kind of where we are the most aware, the most non-judgmental or the least judge, the least judgmental, the most non-judgmental and the least judgmental. Same [00:25:00] thing.
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: That’s filtering.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: That’s I think where the most relief actually happens and the most connection when we realize that we are a part of something bigger. That it’s not just all about what’s happening with us myopically, but okay, we could talk about this all day and I want to, but we’re out of time for this half of this podcast.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: I can’t believe it. I have like all these questions, I didn’t even answer them. I just like, you know, like I told you.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: You’d be surprised all
Dr. Howard Eisenberg: the things that came up from me that I could talk about too.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: I know. So fascinating. But everyone, you guys gotta come back. Dr. Howard Eisenberg, he is the man and we are talking about consciousness and we are going deep you guys today. So you gotta come back for the second half of this amazing podcast with physician, psychologist and consciousness researcher, Dr.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Howard Eisenberg.
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