Facing Grief and Unlocking Emotional Healing
When unresolved trauma is buried, it often resurfaces as illness. For Guy Borgford, the tragic death of his father at age twelve left grief locked deep inside. Decades later, guided by intentional plant medicine practices, he finally released this pain an experience that not only brought emotional relief but also resolved asthma that had persisted since childhood.
š Learn how reconnecting with your bodyās signals supports healing in my book Deprogram Diet Culture.
The Science of Plant Medicine and Psychedelics
Entheogens such as psilocybin and ayahuasca are not āmagic pills.ā Instead, they support neurogenesis, helping the brain form new pathways that open the door to transformation. But the integration processāthe āsoftware upgradeāāis what sustains change. Safe containers, guided intention, and support are essential to harnessing their benefits.
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Suppression, Stress, and the Mind-Body Connection
As I discussed with Guy, modern culture teaches us to suppress emotions. Boys are told not to cry, women are told to ākeep it together,ā and everyone is pressured to push forward without acknowledging pain. This suppression not only fuels anxiety and depression but can also manifest as physical illness. When emotions are processed and releasedāwhether through mindfulness, therapy, or medicineāthe body often follows with remarkable improvements in health.
Alternatives Beyond Plant Medicine
For those who hesitate to explore psychedelics, there are many paths to higher states of consciousness and healing. Meditation, journaling, gardening, sensory deprivation, and creative expression all foster presence and self-connection. These practices encourage us to quiet external noise, reclaim attention from overstimulation, and reconnect with life in its truest form.
Remembering Who We Are: Connection as Purpose
Guy emphasized that the ultimate goal isnāt escapeāitās remembrance. Each of us carries the capacity to connect with our true nature, to live with presence, and to honor the body as the miraculous vessel it is. When we treat ourselves with reverence, we extend that same respect to others and to the planet.
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Key Takeaways
- Grief and trauma require release: Suppression often manifests as illness, but expression brings relief.
- Psychedelics foster growth but demand integration: True healing comes through safe use and intentional practice.
- Mindfulness is medicine: From meditation to nature, everyday practices can quiet the nervous system and restore balance.
- Connection is purpose: Remembering who we are allows us to live authentically, with compassion and presence.
š Begin your journey inward with the Deprogram Diet Culture book.
šæ Explore guided tools and teachings in the ANEW Insight online course.
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Dr. Supatra Tovar: [00:00:00] Welcome back to the ANEW Insight podcast. We are back for the second half of this interview with plant based facilitator, Guy Borgford. Guy gave us some invaluable insight into his inspiration to explore and practice plant based. medicinal healing. We cannot wait to learn more. Thanks for coming back, Guy.
Guy Borgford: Thank you for having me again. I appreciate it.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yay. So we spoke a lot. It kind of, I think, just scratched the surface in terms of how meditation and how exploration with plant based medicine can help to open, alter your consciousness and help you to tap into the highest part of yourself and the greater consciousness of the universe, essentially.[00:01:00]
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Give us a picture of what you experienced. How has exploring in this realm changed you fundamentally.
Guy Borgford: Yeah. So, you know, starting back when I was a kid and there was a, there was a few times where I had these really big experiences primarily with mushrooms. and I still remember some of them but let’s fast forward to a few years ago prior, or just after I started meditating. And my first ayahuasca experience I had already had, This Kundalini awakening, but I still hadn’t kind of, integrated because I didn’t know really what was going on. So I was still carrying on with my usual shenanigans and you know, I mentioned in, I think in our last discussion, I lived a pretty fast paced life. Um, I was hanging [00:02:00] out with a younger crowd cause I was dating someone quite a bit younger than me and it was really the, you know, the order of the day was just partying and I drank, binge drank, you know, we’d go on vacation and we would just party our faces off, I was using cocaine quite regularly, uh, smoking cigarettes know, just on a fast track to an early death, quite honestly. And after my first ayahuasca experience, Mother Ayahuasca is what, you know, we call her in the circles and she said, no more cocaine and no more cigarettes. You’re done. And I never touched it again. And just like, just like that. I’m done. And then that, I started really kind of digging in to with the mushroom and intention and working with mushrooms was quite often what’s next.
Guy Borgford: I was like, I’d throw it out to the mushroom and when we set intentions, that’s [00:03:00] that’s kind of what we’re kind of looking for to get from the medicine, whether
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm hmm.
Guy Borgford: it’s guidance or healing or, you know, releasing blockages, whatever it may be. I quite often use this. What’s next? Because that in itself is kind of an act of surrender in that and surrender is what we want to do with the medicine.
Guy Borgford: We always want to just surrender and release control and allow the medicine to show us what we need to learn.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm hmm.
Guy Borgford: this intention of what, what’s next I was sitting with a mushroom in our last discussion, you, you referenced the physical healing that can happen through these medicines.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm hmm.
Guy Borgford: this is what I’m sharing right now. I have the intention of what’s next and okay. I always start crying when I tell this story.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Oh, wow. Ha ha ha. Oh
Guy Borgford: Hang on. So my father was killed when I was 12 years [00:04:00] old in a
Dr. Supatra Tovar: my gosh.
Guy Borgford: helicopter accident. I was away at hockey school on the mainland. I lived on Vancouver Island and I was away at hockey school. I got the message over the phone and I was by myself and they rushed me off to the airport and I got on a plane by myself and I flew back to the island and two of my sister’s boyfriends picked me up and they handed me a bottle of whiskey and they’re like, Drink some of this.
Guy Borgford: It’ll make you feel better. So 40 years later I take some mushrooms and I say, what’s next? Mushrooms. And the mushroom said, remember this? You never felt this. You never really felt this loss.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Wow.
Guy Borgford: It was intense. It was intense and it came out like a dam breaking open like [00:05:00] just and just the wailing and the sobbing and that just, oh man, it was the saddest thing. It’s so beautiful, beautiful. So I had this little asthma condition. And it was getting to the point where I’d go hiking and any kind of little hills or anything, I’d have to stop all the time. And, you know, granted I smoked a lot of cannabis back then and everything, but two weeks later or so after this experience, I realized. My asthma was gone.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Wow.
Guy Borgford: It was just gone. And I’d like walking up hills, no problem, no short of breath, just like no inhalers. And, you know, they say that our breath is connected to our emotional [00:06:00] world And,
Dr. Supatra Tovar: hmm.
Guy Borgford: this was clearly this asthma was a blockage cause the asthma came up right after my dad’s death. Like I didn’t realize it. But when I looked back, I went, oh yeah, I remember that’s when it came up.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Wow.
Guy Borgford: I never really expressed that grief. And that’s one of the things these medicines are so good at is
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yes.
Guy Borgford: and allowing stuff to flow. We are. We are. That’s how we are engineered
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yes.
Guy Borgford: beautiful human suits is like, get it out. You know, you look at animals, right? When they experience some kind of stress, how they
Dr. Supatra Tovar: They shake.
Guy Borgford: they shake it out. so that was the shakeout and yeah, I’ve had lots of those since and, and they continue to happen. You know, as I sit with medicines right now, I’ve been, really focused on working with ayahuasca and you know, the other ones are not so important but through Ayahuasca, you know, I [00:07:00] stopped smoking cannabis back in September and I was a regular user and have been my entire life, but cannabis. For me, it was just an excuse. It was just an excuse to not do what I needed to do.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm hmm.
Guy Borgford: I live up here in the mountains and beautiful nature, and there’s nothing, I mean, in my opinion, nothing better than, you know, have a couple of puffs of cannabis and get out in nature and everything’s just so beautiful and lovely but I use it as an excuse to not do what I needed to do to align with my purpose and why I’m here.
Guy Borgford: In this human experience.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm hmm.
Guy Borgford: so Mother Ayahuasca again says, Hey, cannabis, not to say you got to quit it forever, but you got to lay off that as long as you’re working with me, no more. And so, yeah, I haven’t touched cannabis since September, which is for me is a big deal.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Wow.
Guy Borgford: Yeah.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Can you explain to our listeners who might not have had any experience in this, or really don’t know, and kind of [00:08:00] have had that, like, dark view, of these types of medicines, how they help you, like what is the scientific underpinnings of something like ayahuasca? Why is it helpful in terms of facilitating healing, especially mental health healing?
Guy Borgford: Yeah, I think that’s a really loaded, complex question.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yes.
Guy Borgford: I think it varies for everyone. But, you know, some of the kind of core tenants of the container of these medicines include, feeling safe and that’s why having a container where you feel safe. to be vulnerable, to let go, to relinquish control and to allow yourself to access these higher realms of understanding. I think that’s one from a physical perspective the science is [00:09:00] out with entheogens and psychedelics, that they create neurogenesis. So, and new neural pathways to create new neural connections. They, I, I always say these medicines are like a hardware upgrade where, you know, from a computer perspective, my background consulting comes in here. You know, we, we get a shiny new computer. Yeah. You’re going to run Windows 95 on that. No, you’re going to get the latest operating system. Windows 95 was bad by the way.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: So bad. That’s why I’m laughing.
Guy Borgford: Yeah, yeah, but, but you’re gonna get new software and so the software upgrade is the integration work is, you know, we get all these new neural pathways, new connectors.
Guy Borgford: We get these insights and these epiphanies about, Oh, I need to do this. Oh, this is why I function that way. This is why I have this conflicts in these types of situations. You get all this understanding. The integration is the [00:10:00] software upgrade is where you actually got to now start operating from that new understanding and it takes work. why I was, you know, everybody says it in this space. It’s not a magic pill. It takes work, this opens the door. The medicine opens the door and shows you how you can change. You still got to do the changing. And so anybody who thinks it’s just like, Oh, I’m going to sit with mushrooms and all my care, all my problems will go away. Yeah. I wish it was that easy. But it can, it can lead to profound healing and profound expansion and understanding.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: I think from what I’m gathering, it helps you actually face a lot of things that you may have tried to dissociate from or suppress.
Guy Borgford: Yes.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: I, and I think that that’s our culture. I think that we are, you know, buck up camper, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps. You know, boys don’t [00:11:00] cry. We have all sorts of messaging that tells us that we need to suppress our emotions or put them away somewhere or not face them.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And in that suppression, that’s where we see a lot of mental health difficulties, but also physical health tends to correlate with the suppression of these traumatic emotions. Incidences. There’s a really amazing author called Carolyn. I think you say Maze it’s spelled M Y S S that she’s a medical intuitive.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: She’s like someone that doctors like she’s, she’s completely validated. Somebody doctors call upon and she can, they can, they, they’ll describe the patient shouldn’t even have to have the patient in front of her and she knows what’s wrong with them based off of the description.
Guy Borgford: Wow.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: she’s written a couple of books and she’s really amazing.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: But you know, that’s what kind of opened my eyes to the physical presentation of [00:12:00] illness, why it might start to form in somebody and not in somebody else. Somebody can be a smoker forever and not develop lung cancer while others do. And what could be the, emotional causes for these disease states as well.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And you can see the correlation like you said, with you, you developed asthma. Right after you know, your father sadly passed and that was trapped energy in your body that was never released. You suppressed with alcohol. You kind of tapped out, zoned out and it stayed in the body. And once you actually faced it, it dissipated, which I just think is like.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: I just think it’s magical. I think it’s amazing. And I think that, you know, if more people were open just to facing what they’ve gone through, they would be able to [00:13:00] release that trapped energy in their body. So tell us, you know, for the people that are, you know, completely gun shy about any kinds of like, you know, psychoactive medication like this.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Are there ways that they can achieve, say what you achieved, without going into that kind of state?
Guy Borgford: Absolutely. plant medicine they’re just tools to access these higher states of consciousness. There’s a million different ways to get there. We already talked about meditation. That is my number one
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Me too.
Guy Borgford: go-to recommendation, a mindfulness conscious awareness to be present, to be really practice presence in a day to day. You know, tune in. What is my body? Why am I getting all upset? What does my body feel like? Gee, I’m feeling anxious. What does that feel like? My chest is tight. My breathing, [00:14:00] out of our head and into our body and listening to our body and understanding what our body is telling us in the present moment.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm
Guy Borgford: Things like sensory deprivation, we live in an overstimulated world, to, to, to kind of start tuning some of that out.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: hmm. Mm
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Getting
Guy Borgford: off
Dr. Supatra Tovar: hmm.
Guy Borgford: news cycles, getting off
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yes.
Guy Borgford: social media, don’t use, don’t play video games, like turn down the music, like just, you know, like settle everything down and getting in. We are, our central nervous systems have been hijacked everything just keeps getting louder and louder and louder is the competition for our attention becomes more increased.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm hmm.
Guy Borgford: let’s just opt out.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm hmm.
Guy Borgford: That’s a good way. Getting into creative expression, writing, right? Journaling art, any kind of art. If you say I’m not artistic, like getting into and things like gardening and connecting with nature and plants and getting into [00:15:00] nurturing other life forms.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm. Mm-hmm.
Guy Borgford: There’s all these different ways but it requires us to go within. You see every one of them. Every one of them is about going within. And once we go within, then we can start connecting with the real world. And the real world is about life.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm-hmm.
Guy Borgford: The real world is about love.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm-hmm.
Guy Borgford: It’s not about us entertaining our little monkey minds and forgetting about certain things in certain ways.
Guy Borgford: It’s about really being present. And, you know, all of these tools, you know, plant medicines aren’t for everyone and but there are these other tools and they, some of them do require sometimes guidance like meditation can lead to you know, issues, you know,
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm-hmm.
Guy Borgford: There’s all kinds of science out there where people have serious issues landing their experiences like I had when I had my Kundalini awakening, like, you know, You know, I [00:16:00] was super lucky that I was able to work through that, but I could see where some people could, lives could collapse in that situation.
Guy Borgford: It
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Absolutely.
Guy Borgford: It was as challenging as any psychedelic experience I’ve had. And I’ve had a lot of them.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: This may be a more philosophical or maybe even systemic question, but why do you think we have evolved to date to really. distract ourselves or to be caught in new cycles. Why do you think the majority of people tend to fall into that paradigm?
Guy Borgford: I mean, I, I’m not going to get into conspiracy theories cause I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but I believe that our, attention and our central nervous systems have been hijacked by those who make money off us as consumers. They refer to people as consumers all the time.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Yes.
Guy Borgford: Markets, you [00:17:00] know, like, like, you know, what, what do we have to spend?
Guy Borgford: How can we make someone else money? And so I don’t think it’s any fault of our own. I think that this has been, you know, a part of the plan ever since the invention of television. You know, it’s been a long, you know, very intentional course of seizing control of our consciousness. And I think that’s a big reason why plant medicines are still illegal in schedule one substances in the United States is because they know that they wait, help people wake up
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Hmm.
Guy Borgford: You talk to a lot of people who are in the plant medicine space. Most of them don’t have televisions. Most of them don’t watch the news. Most of them eat all organic, healthy food. They don’t eat junk food. You know, there’s, there’s all these commonalities where it’s like, oh, oh gee, wow. All these things, you know, I just turned 60 last year. I have never felt better. I have never felt more [00:18:00] energized aside from a little bit of arthritis in my hands, which has cleared up.
Guy Borgford: My arthritis is so much better. I had, I had a little addiction to Jif peanut butter I was yeah, I cut that out I switched to healthy peanut butter and everything’s just got away.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: It’s amazing. And I do agree with you. I think that, you know, a lot of my work is helping people return to their healthiest state in their body, especially if they’re struggling with weight or shape issues and you know, my, the book that I wrote is called Deprogram Diet Culture because diet culture in and of itself is a system designed to take your money promise you a fast and easy result that never really works.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And then you just rinse and repeat and just stay trapped in this cycle. And so I, I always couch it as. You know, we are kind of hypnotized by the outside [00:19:00] world telling us how we should look, what we should, you know, dress like, who we should follow on social media what size we should be, what, how much money we need to make.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And all of this is designed to make us feel like we’re not good enough. And that is the primary driver behind advertising. I don’t have that. So if I get, if I go buy that, maybe I can get that. And I think it is absolutely imperative that people start to delve. Within and start to listen to themselves.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: That’s, you know, you’re talking about that in the last part of this podcast is that, yeah, I want, I want people to become their best experts so that they don’t need me anymore, that, that they, that they are listening to themselves and themselves only because when you really, truly tap in to that small, still inner voice.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: You cannot go wrong. Like in mindfulness, [00:20:00] when you actually do pay attention. And, and I think a lot of people, they don’t really fully understand mindfulness. It’s a, it’s a term like it’s tossed around like salad all over the place. But what is it really? It is an open hearted, nonjudgmental awareness of the present moment.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And having that awareness. is everything because you are absolutely right your body less so than your mind sometimes your mind can play tricks on you but your body tends to tell you everything that you need in the moment it tells you when you’re hungry and Diaculture is, you know, primed to tell you don’t listen to that, ignore it.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: That is a primary need of your body that you’re ignoring. And when you do this, you set up a cascade of negative events that will try to get you back to listening to your body. Your [00:21:00] thermogenesis slows down, your ghrelin, your hunger hormone goes up. Your body is like, no, please listen. And I think it is.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: So vital that we actually listen to our body and to our the signals coming from our body. So you have provided so many different ways that people can access. and listen to their body, gardening, mindfulness, meditation, using plant based medicine, going out into nature and, and just being tapping into your creativity.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And tell me for you, when you are helping and leading people, whether it’s through a plant based medicine or through meditation, where are you guiding them toward? What are you facilitating? , exactly.
Guy Borgford: That’s such a good question. Such a good question. I would [00:22:00] say it is leading them towards that which they already know, but have forgotten. And and it’s through, it’s, it’s through their own path of direct experience that we get to these points where we get back on the path of why we’re here, know, and it’s all through direct experience, you know, that I’m always like, no one can teach this stuff.
Guy Borgford: You can like, you can guide people, you can give people, you know, tips and stuff like that, but anytime anybody says, Oh, I can get you on. I can get you here. I, I, I usually call bullshit. I’m just like, I’m sorry, but this is all of us. We all have this ability. We,
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm-hmm
Guy Borgford: all of us, we’re the same beautiful stardust
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm-hmm
Guy Borgford: We all have the ability to get on a path. That is aligned with purpose and that where we live these lives, honoring these human suits, these amazing [00:23:00] carbon machines,
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm-hmm
Guy Borgford: I mean, I always think about the human body and all the different. I can sell amazing.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm-hmm
Guy Borgford: And when you have that respect and that honoring of your body, you’re not going to shovel junk into your body.
Guy Borgford: You’re not going to smoke cigarettes, do bumps of coke off a toilet. you’re going to honor that body and
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm-hmm
Guy Borgford: you’re going to treat it like the, like the divine, miracle that it is.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm-hmm
Guy Borgford: And I tell you, and then you start treating the world around you in the same way that everything is divine energy.
Guy Borgford: Everything is consciousness. And all of a sudden, like, you know, goodbye, competition. Goodbye, you know, goodbye, you know, resentment and all these things, these conflicting energies that we put out and take in. It all dissipates and
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm-hmm
Guy Borgford: it all kind of comes down to this mindful practice of presence as you said, an open heart.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: [00:24:00] Yes.
Guy Borgford: And, and, and, and that awareness of like, Oh, wow. Like everything is me. I am everything. And, and, you know, you, you stop, you stop in your tracks
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm-hmm
Guy Borgford: and you honor just being,
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Would you say that everyone’s purpose truly, when you really funnel it down, is connection and awareness of our connection,
Guy Borgford: well, you know, this is what I say. And of course, everybody’s open to their own thing, their own saying their own interpretation. But what I say, I believe that everybody’s purpose is to remember who they are and live that truth in the present moment. Practice, sorry, practice living that truth in the present moment. And the reason I add that practice is because that brings in humility and that [00:25:00] brings in compassion for ourself that we are just a human being and that it is all a practice. We’re not going to be perfect. We’re going to fall into ego. We’re going to have our moments where we’re stomping our feet and our, you know, all the things that we do as we’re learning.
Guy Borgford: Right? But I think like framing everything as a practice, as a practice is so important because it does bring in humility and compassion and, and understanding that it’s a never ending process. It’s a never ending practice. There’s no prime time or anything. Everything is a practice and when we have that approach, it softens our need to perform our need to be perfect.
Guy Borgford: Our need to, you know, do all the things that we want to do.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Please. I
Guy Borgford: Right?
Dr. Supatra Tovar: I think that that, you know, and maybe just to kind of tie this off with a little bow. I think what people are really [00:26:00] longing to feel is relief.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And you can do that by tapping into yourself when you realize in this moment you really do have everything you need right now. That’s a really tough one for people because they’re like, well, wait, I need, you know, a million dollars. In this moment, when you actually practice mindfulness, when you actually tap into the present moment, you realize how safe
Dr. Supatra Tovar: and how perfect, how quiet and how beautiful it is. And then you realize all your needs are met and that is what provides you relief. And I, I, that’s my greatest hope for people because I think that they tend to be trapped in the past or the future or both and not really connected to what’s happening right now.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And I think that that’s. What you’re helping people [00:27:00] achieve. And in my opinion, I think being mindful is happiness. That’s what happiness actually feels like. People think it’s like when you achieve something or when you, you know, make a ton of money or you have this house, it’s really just being tapped into this present moment right now and realizing how beautiful it is and trying to stay in that as much as possible because that’s what leads you to really being your true self.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: And that may rock your world. That may, you know, like it rocked yours. You went and change your life completely. You left you know, the corporate world behind and followed this path and maybe that’s what people need to do and to think about and to discover in themselves. So I’m really, really glad that you’re out there doing this, that you did have this awakening.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: I’m grateful [00:28:00] for your sister. I’m so sad for your parents’ passing. But it also facilitated some great lessons for you that, you know, are helping other people. So, before we end, tell people how they can get a hold of you. Is it through your Instagram? La Casa de Flujo? How, how do they get a hold of you if they want to work with you?
Guy Borgford: Well, oddly enough, my main platform is LinkedIn, which is my, my kids think I’m the biggest dork in the world, but that’s where I, that’s where I do a lot of my writing. I write about consciousness and plant medicine, you know, the lack of better terms, spiritual things I don’t use that term too often. But LinkedIn is a good one. Guy Borgford also, I’m @guyborgford on Instagram, @casadeflujo on Instagram. I’m, I’m a pretty open book.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Mm hmm.
Guy Borgford: will, I’ll talk to anybody really,
Guy Borgford: As long as they aren’t super creepy or weird. Which in this space, you do get that but [00:29:00] but you know, I just, I love the little bow that you put on that as you, as you framed it, that was super beautiful.
Guy Borgford: And yeah, I, I knew when we first connected that we were aligned on so many different things and it’s just been such a pleasure speaking with you. Thank
Dr. Supatra Tovar: you.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: You that LinkedIn is how we connected
Guy Borgford: right.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: You sent me like you know, friend requests. I guess I don’t know what they call it on LinkedIn. Connection requests. I just looked at your profile and I was like, Oh, that’s so interesting. And whenever anyone really captures my interest, that’s when I want to have one of these conversations with them and you really are fascinating and I am, you know, really impressed with your spiritual journey and how you’re helping people. And I hope people have, you know, learned something today. That we don’t have to have this stigma on plant based medicines. We don’t have to, you know, have this stereotype in our minds.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: We can look at them with fresh eyes. And you’re, [00:30:00] you’re seeing this more and more in the psychological community, the use of microdosing with mushrooms, with ketamine therapy, things like that as pathways, and I think that’s what people need. They need options. We don’t have to necessarily follow the pharmaceutical route.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: We don’t have to follow, you know, what’s prescribed to us by society. We can really explore these things. And that’s the point of this podcast as well. So thank you so much Guy. And I know we’re going to have more conversations in the future. This is just
Guy Borgford: so.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: the beginning.
Guy Borgford: so. I sure hope so. What a pleasure. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for having me on.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: yes. Thank you.
Guy Borgford: I am humble and grateful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Absolutely. Absolutely. Anytime. You know, you just have this light and this energy around you. And I’m just better off having sat and had this conversation with you.
Guy Borgford: Yeah, you’re going to make me cry again.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Oh, I love it. I love it. I mean,
Guy Borgford: I love that so much.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Good tears. Of course. [00:31:00] All right.
Guy Borgford: Absolutely.
Dr. Supatra Tovar: Thank you so much. And thank you for tuning into the new insight podcast. We look forward to our next exciting interview, and we really hope you join us next time. Thank you so much.
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